tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post4680387523238288468..comments2024-02-07T03:13:21.639-05:00Comments on WillCollier.com: Drum DumbWill Collierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15125312209711458722noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-79514646791247041362010-06-03T12:24:54.130-04:002010-06-03T12:24:54.130-04:00> Many teachers in Texas don't join the two...> Many teachers in Texas don't join the two "big" unions in this state: either the TSTA, or Texas AFT, and they get little grief when they don't join.<br /><br />When should someone get grief for refusing to join a union?Andy Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15102824539405027612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-89527938048884635422010-05-04T19:38:46.729-04:002010-05-04T19:38:46.729-04:00To:kdrum58. You said, "And white flight from...To:kdrum58. You said, "And white flight from urban schools began in the South before it spread to other regions." I hail from Baton Rouge, LA. East Baton Rouge Parish School District. I have been segregated, integrated, and forcibly bussed to an inner city school. When you or your children are taken from your neighborhood school and bussed two hours to an inner city school, then you can talk about Southerners abandoning the school system. Only whites are bussed, blacks are allowed to choose between their neighborhood school or the suburban school of their choice. Every year the (white) kids are shuffled, so that even if a child makes a friend in the inner city school, she doesn't know what school she will be in the next year. It's still the law. In the implementation of this all deference is made to the 'black community'. For instance, when school rolls dropped due to parents dislike of the two hour plus bus rides, the district decided to close a school to save money. It was suggested that an older, unpopular, energy inefficient inner city school be closed, but the blacks (black community) complained, so a new suburban school was closed instead. Whites were consistently told to shut up, not allowed input, etc. oh, and that just by complaining, we were RACIST RACIST RACIST. (Sigh).sportutegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00894334572879043329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-91745221028870456532010-05-04T18:53:53.815-04:002010-05-04T18:53:53.815-04:00I must have missed the memo; where is there ANY ar...I must have missed the memo; where is there ANY area of the country that has abandoned public schools en masse?Nom de Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05153700215201399299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-89823204039305060612010-05-04T17:07:42.330-04:002010-05-04T17:07:42.330-04:00Teachers unions are both less prevalent *and* less...Teachers unions are both less prevalent *and* less powerful in the South than in most other regions of the country. And white flight from urban schools began in the South before it spread to other regions. This isn't a comment on anything other than these facts. And they are facts, I'm afraid.<br /><br />(There have been a couple of pieces of research trying to find correlations between the strength of teachers unions and the quality of educational outcomes. Result: mixed, but basically zero. It just doesn't seem to make any difference.)<br /><br />But Paul Hogue is right. I never should have trusted a work Bill Burkett said. But I atoned for that long ago.<br /><br />I've never written a word for the Atlantic, though.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05348600867505590476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-15341276716836277672010-05-04T15:48:55.012-04:002010-05-04T15:48:55.012-04:00Why does anyone read Drum? I would have thought he...Why does anyone read Drum? I would have thought he'd lost whatever cred he had at the time when, still writing on his own at Cal-pundit, about how credible Bill Burkett was as the source for Rathergate.<br /><br />How on earth did he get to write for The Atlantic and now Mother Jones?Paul Hoguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10810583968278593492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-50170888362261178422010-05-04T14:15:56.772-04:002010-05-04T14:15:56.772-04:00Gee, my mom would be surprised to learn that she s...Gee, my mom would be surprised to learn that she spent 30 years in AL teaching in a non-existent public school classroom... and getting paid for it.SDNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03294241092298713048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-30716271745304413802010-05-04T10:22:49.572-04:002010-05-04T10:22:49.572-04:00"Baja Alabama" -- I like that! I'm t..."Baja Alabama" -- I like that! I'm tired of "Redneck Riviera".clazyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16073101986101714711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-68474697257289667112010-05-04T10:21:57.440-04:002010-05-04T10:21:57.440-04:00Teachers unions in the south are weaker for the sa...Teachers unions in the south are weaker for the same reasons all unions in the south are weaker: 1) these are, for the most part, right-to-work states, and 2) southerners, in general, are less inclined to support unions to begin with. Many teachers in Texas don't join the two "big" unions in this state: either the TSTA, or Texas AFT, and they get little grief when they don't join.<br /><br />So says this Texas public-school educated, public university educated (on full academic scholarship thanks to the quality of my public primary and secondary education) former student.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10378468052082683570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-74956514467086877552010-05-04T09:49:59.618-04:002010-05-04T09:49:59.618-04:00Ah, I think Drum is saying that we are stupid. Not...Ah, I think Drum is saying that we are stupid. Nothing to do with public school or private school, just a chance to get a cheap shop in. The south is consistantly against socialistic policies he seems to favor, therefore we must be stupid. Following the Obamacare meme that we would like it if we just understood it, the reason we're stupid is that we ditched education.dave1310https://www.blogger.com/profile/04027207867299188131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-85949956882920268862010-05-04T09:49:50.170-04:002010-05-04T09:49:50.170-04:00Geeze! What's wrong with you people! Haven'...Geeze! What's wrong with you people! Haven't you yet learned that the Bi-Coastal Elites know everything about everything? Oh, and when they're dead wrong - they aren't.mdgileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08417311636210312912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-57665381375383115652010-05-04T09:45:50.711-04:002010-05-04T09:45:50.711-04:00By the way, speaking of the relative weakness of t...By the way, speaking of the relative weakness of teachers' unions, I'm afraid Drum is right. Despite how strong these unions are (they certainly are in Alabama), the teachers unions are weaker in the South. My point being that if the weakest teachers unions can pull off their offensive behavior in Florida and Alabama, what does that mean for the children of places like New York and Illinois.<br /><br />I leave it as an exercise for the reader to answer that with a bit of research. Hint: things really suck up North.paul a'bargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854004347728185047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-19926559046223815022010-05-04T09:42:28.020-04:002010-05-04T09:42:28.020-04:00I'm from Texas. When did we ditch public schoo...I'm from Texas. When did we ditch public schools en masse? <br /><br />Geez. Facts are pesky, are they not?paul a'bargehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08854004347728185047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-25492080754450039562010-05-04T09:14:33.581-04:002010-05-04T09:14:33.581-04:00Meanwhile, my question is, "When did we ditch...Meanwhile, my question is, "When did we ditch public schools en masse?" Speaking as a 100% public-school educated Tennesseean (and on the local PTA now in W. Va.), I've known hardly anybody who went to a private school. Sure, there are private schools around, but ditching them en masse?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01818012642535201815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7870530298450082582.post-4680041645246664372010-05-04T08:56:31.564-04:002010-05-04T08:56:31.564-04:00Will,
As if Mr. Drum had time for any of that stu...Will,<br /><br />As if Mr. Drum had time for any of that stuff like research or reading background material. Ha!LTC Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423057539370247167noreply@blogger.com